25/09/08. 12DailyForever Review and Other News

Today I would like to review an autosurf program that is certainly interesting to say the least. As you may know there are so many autosurfs around that offer the 12% for 12 days model with payouts either daily or on expiry but many of them fail before being even two weeks online. Take the recent examples of Surfovat and ProtoAds that will be described today in my news section. So the conclusion we can draw is that we should choose more carefully some more or less stable program where the admin is a real professional and not just pretending to be so, the admin that will pay fast, take care of member’s needs and promptly answer support requests, an admin that will not give up at the first sign of difficulties like Kelly from ProtoAds and an admin that will not try to find some cheap excuse to justify their failure like the admin of Surfovat.

Will 12DailyForever be able to become such a program? Let’s analyze it in my review and try to understand if it’s going to succeed in the long run.

Well, first of all we should note that 12DailyForever utilizes the same model as many successful programs used in the past – 12% for 12 days with daily cashouts. One ad unit will cost you $6 and you can make an upgrade via almost any major payment processors including AlterGold, SolidTrustPay, LibertyReserve, AlertPay and StrictPay. The only difference from other classic autosurfs and 12DailyForever is that the latter charges you 5% withdrawal fee for every request while the minimum amount to withdraw is equal to $5. So you should be aware that if you invest a small amount you will not be able to withdraw daily.

Of course, other things stay the same. For example, you should surf 12 sites daily in order to receive your daily incentive from 12DailyForever. In the program’s FAQ the admin specifically emphasizes that the program is not an investment but an advertising site:
“You did not invest in an investment site, but you buy advertising. We pay a reimbursement to users to view ads from other users. This payments are an incentive and we are not obligated to do so.”

I like this honest approach though the admin was attacked on the forums and many thought there was some connection between DailyIncomeBux and 12DailyForever admins. Some people even think that they can have one and the same owner. The grounds for these rumors was the promotional campaign made by the admin of 12DailyForever Richard (read the interview with him on my blog very soon) with DailyIncomeBux admin. So actually the program was first introduced to the members of DailyIncomeBux by sending a paid ad message. There were some other promotional ads that were sent to the members of other autosurfs but somehow they were not taken into consideration by the naysayers, and I wonder why? Some careful investors also noticed some similarities in the speech of DailyIncomeBux admin and 12DailyForever admin and accused him of having a double personality on MMG forum but it’s also not true because honestly I didn’t find any concrete similarities and by the way, the MMG forum always bans people who have the same IP addresses but it was not the case with 12DailyForever admin and he was not banned.

An even more ridiculous thing was the remark by one investor who noticed that it’s stated on the main page of 12DailyForever website that the admin Richard Lenor was from Victoria, South Africa. So that man said that he was actually from South Africa and that there was no such city as Victoria there. Well, according to Wikipedia Victoria is a suburb of Johannesburg, South Africa so I can’t see any discrepancies here either.

I can understand though that we have to be careful when choosing an autosurf with daily payouts because it can be quite unstable. But we also have to admit that 12DailyForever was online for almost 2 weeks and that Richard worked hard all this time by developing the site. Not a single payment was missed by the way and I and many other investors were paid by Richard on a daily basis and in a timely fashion. So let’s just give him a chance to prove that he can run 12DailyForever program properly. At least he already did it for 13 days when the program first came online.

The most important thing I like about this program is daily payouts that have been processed very fast daily for 2 weeks already. This factor is very important to provide further growth for any program and 12DailyForever is no exception here. Also I like that there are many choices from different e-currencies and investors can choose what they really want to use to upgrade their account. In my opinion, satisfying the needs of investors in the variety of e-currencies is an important thing that will help make the program stable in the long run (just compare 12DailyForever with failed Surfovat). So it is obvious for me that the admin did some great groundwork in building a nice looking autosurf.

One of the main things one looks for before investing is where the site is hosted and whether it has some anti-DDoS protection which is now a must for every program aimed at becoming a successful autosurf. Well, regarding this I can say that 12DailyForever is hosted on a shared server provided by San2Server company together with 20 other websites, including MaxShare (another long-lasting program). So I don’t think there will be any problem with downtime in the future. And even if it does arise Richard told me he would do his best to move 12DailyForever to a new dedicated and DdoS-protected server. Somehow I believe it’s true. Also Richard assured me that they have a full daily backup for all their files so they are not afraid even if they something happens in the future that will make them change their hosting provider.

All in all, the site of 12DailyForever made quite a good impression on me. Its two-week history of fast payments, proper admin support and the variety of payment processor choices make me to think that 12DailyForever can become a possible hit in the future and stay online for some time. That’s why I included this program in my Top 12 Recommended and think the program deserves it so far.

Other news for today.

Let’s start with some bad news this time. I have some very discouraging news for all Surfovat members. Well, many of us thought that the program would be able to become the next big thing mostly because of the dedication shown by the admins. Somebody closed an eye to even the obvious warning signs such as unreliable shared server they were hosted on, issues with AP and STP verification and inexperience from their team that they tried to hide by developing an original script and providing proper and fast support on forums. Like many others I was also full of big expectations too. Surfovat had many supporters among many experienced surfers. Well, it’s for sure now that Surfovat didn’t meet our high expectations as I received this email from the admin today:
“Hello Paul, I did not see that your email is asking us a must to reply. But we do have a big trouble here now. We received lots of black mail and now Raymond was contacted by his local authority for explanation. Even worst now is our LibertyReserve and AlertPay account has been blocked without any notification. We are getting disappointed and frustrated when this happened continuously without our expectation. It is not easy as we thought to start an autosurf program but we have never thought that it is so difficult. We are waiting for the news from Raymond and Katherine, and we will see what to do next.”
Well, all I can say is that either they are telling lies because I’ve never heard of LR or AP blocking accounts without providing a seriously good reason or they were just amateurs that had completely no idea of how to handle things properly and lost the money they collected during the process of primitive accumulation of capital. Since the first payouts have not been processed yet (and I have big doubts that they will be processed in the future) I tend to believe that it was a well-planned scam from the very beginning. Since 12% for 12 days autosurfs are so popular now among investors Surfovat creators probably thought that it would be easy just to come out with some scam site. Well, I don’t know what to think else unless the admin will come to the forums with a better explanation of what really happened. I really hope that he has the guts to do it as I don’t have a single drop of respect for cowards and scammers.

ProtoAds appeared to be one big disappointment as well. Having been only 2 weeks online the admin started to delay the payouts to the members upgraded via LibertyReserve. Well, it was not such a big deal at first because the admin of ProtoAds Kelly promised to pay first to everybody who would send her their STP and AP details:
“I have decided to just pay everyone who has LR, AG pending cashouts via STP or AP.
Now what I need you to do is send me an e-mail with your current pending cashouts breakdown and then give me your payout address of both AP and STP. Depending on the funds available, I will process your cashouts with STP or AP.
You can also opt to wait for LR funds to come in.
Now, this will take a bit of time because I will need to dig into hundreds of cashouts to verify and confirm your cashouts.
Patience is key to our success. I am hoping that after this payout I will get votes and more members will learn about our program.”
Well, many people just didn’t have any access to STP and AP as they have only LR account and they want to be paid to LR. Moreover, currently I conducted some small investigation and it appears John Keller (the admin of another scam Surf-Redefined) also complained of disproportion between re-upgrades to different payment processors in the past (I don’t remember if I heard something similar from other admins). To add some fuel to the fire I never heard of anyone using Ventrino servers before except John Keller and his infamous programs Surf-Redefined and ProfitsKey which I already told you about on my blog.
But it’s all just speculation and to make things more clear I will use the info that I just received from one of my readers. Guess what? It appeared the IP addresses Surf-Redefined, ProfitsKey and ProtoAds used first (now it has been changed probably to shut up the scam hunters) were absolutely identical.
“74.54.186.66
http://www.profitskey.com – Creation Date: 05-jul-2008 Expiration Date: 05-jul-2009 – NS2.VENTRINO1.COM – John Keller (surfredefined@gmail.com) 3013 Emerson Road Natchitoches LA,71457 US Tel. +00.3188083693 – NS2.THEPLANET.COM
http://www.surf-redefined.com – Creation Date: 30-apr-2008 Expiration Date: 30-apr-2009 – NS2.VENTRINO1.COM – John Keller (surfredefined@gmail.com) 3013 Emerson Road Natchitoches LA,71457 US Tel. +00.3188083693 – NS2.THEPLANET.COM
The ProtoAds site had the same IP but after everyone had queried John Keller they changed it to:
72.52.215.38
http://www.protoads.com – Creation Date: 06-sep-2008 Expiration Date: 06-sep-2009 – Kelly Mcphail (protoads@gmail.com) 42 Magnolia Drive Hurstville Grove New South Wales,2220 AU Tel. +00.00262656277 – ns2.ventrino1.com – NS1.LIQUIDWEB.COM – ventrino.webnethost.net”
I can send you the proof if you’re interested but I’m now almost sure that Kelly/Keller is not just a simple coincidence like he/she tried to show us in the interview published here but something more than that. Of course, I can’t prove that John Keller / Kelly McPhail are one and the same person but I guess there was more than enough. In addition, my gut feeling tells me I’m right because I communicated with both admins and can say that they use the very same expressions. Anyway, I advise you NOT to reinvest in ProtoAds anymore even if you’re paid to STP or AP accounts. If you do so you will risk the loss of all your money to this scammer as happened before.

Now let’s look at more positive news from the recommended autosurfs. The #1 autosurf now MegaLido announced another HUGE contest that will close on the 1st of October. The prizes are really breathtaking so you should really start promoting MegaLido to your friends and acquaintances if you really want to be among the first lucky fifteen to win these great prizes:
“1st prize: $500 sent to your e-currency account
2nd prize: $300 sent to your e-currency account
3rd prize: $150 sent to your e-currency account
4th prize: One brand new iPhone*
5th prize: One brand new iPhone*
6th prize: One brand new iPhone*
7th prize: $180 worth of upgrades in your MegaLido account
8th prize: $120 worth of upgrades in your MegaLido account
9th prize: $90 worth of upgrades in your MegaLido account
10th prize: $60 worth of upgrades in your MegaLido account
11th prize: $50 sent to your e-currency account
12th prize: $48 worth of upgrades in your MegaLido account
13th prize: $36 worth of upgrades in your MegaLido account
14th prize: $30 worth of upgrades in your MegaLido account
15th prize: $24 worth of upgrades 1n your MegaLido account
*The iPhones will be bought at ebay and sent to the winners using Fedex, so that they get it in less than a week.”
Everybody has his chance to win these wonderful prizes from MegaLido because all the previous achievements before the 23rd of September will not be counted. All you need to do to become one of the winners is to collect the points and the ones that will collect more points will be the winners which will be announced on the 1st of October. You can use several ways to collect the points and apply for the great prizes and among them are:
“Upgrade: 1 point for each upgrade unit you purchase.
Refer people: 1 point for each free member you refer
5 points for each active member you refer
*Bonus: refer more than 20 active members and get 100 extra points, making a total of 200.
Win an activity contest: 20 points per contest
Win a creativity contest: 50 points per contest
Post a screenshot of payment on a forum: 5 points
Post a review on a blog or website and let us know: 25 points”
So the fun has already started and I don’t know what you’re waiting for because many people started their promotion already. I also intend to fight for one of the prizes and write an article on my blog very soon that will describe the best strategy to use in order to maximize your earnings from MegaLido. Even if I don’t win I believe this article will be useful if you are serious in your money-making plans with MegaLido which is undoubtedly the #1 autosurf at the moment and probably the best in 2008 (read more details about MegaLido in my review published here).

I don’t know the reason that has been preventing me from accessing 8DailyForever website for several days now (I believe it has something to do with their increased DDoS-protection) but I will keep trying. But it seems for the majority of members the site is back on track and paying (you can read more info regarding 8DailyForever in my review published here). Here’s the latest update from the admin of 8DailyForever recently published on their blog:
“Just want to let you know that all payouts for today have been processed, other than AlterGold as that processor appears to be down. (If the attackers can’t saboutage one program, they go for another!!) I also received one or two wrong AP Id’s , and those members have been notified.
As promised, missed surf earnings were added to all the above payments. Most members have missed only 2 days surf; less than a handful missed 3. I also managed to add surf holiday pays for almost all members for Sept. 21st, so everything is now on the right track again. Phew!!!”

ResidualForexIncome also published some important update where it touched on some important points regarding AlterGold‘s downtime and internet fraud which you will surely be interested to read (for more info on ResidualForexIncome program please refer to my interview with their admin published here):
“Some important news and updates:
1) Due to maintenance work which Altergold is currently undergoing all AG transfers are terminated until AG gets back on track. All AG users must have already been informed about that by AG administration.
2) Due to increased number of fraud cases detected recently we highly recommend to be aware of High ROI HYIP programs or programs offering short term investment plans. We know a lot of our members have lost their money over the last week following the “promises” of such good looking scams. Remember: no program can generate high daily passive ROI (like 20% for 6 days, example) unless it’s ponzi scheme or careless money management system ! So please try to stay away or be very careful unless you know how to play these games.”

After my review of Olympex-Group (you can read it here) I found a rather strange update on their website informing that you have now another option to invest in their company using Western Union:
“Olympex Group IBC financial department launched Western Union depositing system. Now you can place a deposit buy sending a Western Union transfer and withdraw funds by this payment system as well. Minimum deposit amount is $300, minimum withdrawal amount – $1,000. Please find further depositing instructions inside your Olympex account area located at “New Investment” page.”
I found this update from Olympex-Group strange because not many people will send money using Western Union to a company that like I proved in the review has no real office and is lying regarding this on their website. I find it hard to believe that investors will be willing to part with their money and send it to some anonymous company. Remember that Olympex-Group is just another HYIP-game and not a real company in any way so treat it as such.

Brief news from other HYIPs. HermisCapital is back online and paying again (read my review for more info here). I received my principal back from ApolloInvestGroup so I can recommend it again (read more details about this in my review with ApolloInvestGroup admin published here). I received my payment from EliteMoney to STP today but it will still remain “Not Paying” on my monitoring page because investors using other payment processors were not paid. Other payments were received from the following programs: Richard-Falk, MegaLido, FxSlaughter, TopProfitWorld, Tradelite, BlosFinance, MaxShare, LargeSum, SafeAtom, ResidualForexIncome, ProtoAds (only STP payments) and 12DailyForever (the first payouts were received successfully).

I joined another program today that is online and paying for more than two weeks already. It’s a HYIP called QuantumInv that is paying 106% in 3 days, 116% in 7 days, 125% in 10 days, 160% in 20 days and 200% in 30 days. As you may have guessed already QuantumInv pays you directly to your LibertyReserve account after your deposit has matured. What I liked about QuantumInv is the that I actually received confirmations of my deposits via the email provided when I made my deposits. I hope QuantumInv will become profitable for the investors and will publish the review of it very soon on my blog (after receiving the first payout). Stay tuned for that, guys, and see you tomorrow!