26/06/2015. MNOFridays (20th issue) and Daily News from the HYIP Industry
Hi everybody! It’s the end of the week again so I do hope you’re all looking forward to the weekend and put what might have been a fairly mixed (to put it mildly) couple of days in the industry for some of you behind us. There hasn’t been much news today, but I still have a couple of updates to get through. Unfortunately not all of them are good, by the way. I decided I might take advantage of a slow news day to compose a few personal thoughts on another aspect of the HYIP industry for a new MNOFridays article. You might remember I had this series a couple of years back, and have since decided to revive it. The aim is to get readers thinking about some of the lesser known, less obvious facets of the HYIP industry, how all the small little cogs get the big gears turning if you like. This particular article is number twenty in the series, so it’s kind of a milestone I guess. But that reminded me that coming up in a couple of days from now is a proper anniversary – MNO will be eight years online! In its current form it is anyway. I actually started it nine years ago (yikes!) but for the first year it was a lot less professional, ran on another domain, etc. I really only got organized enough to do it as a full time occupation by 2007, and I’ve never looked back. So let me take a moment to thank everyone who has supported me over the years, especially that small number of you who were there at the beginning. It wasn’t always fun, but it was definitely always worth it!
The topic for today’s discussion then will be things like ShoutBoxes, and public discussion platforms in general that you can find online relating to HYIPs. We’ll go back in time a couple of years first of all to when MNO was the first (to my knowledge) online resource covering the HYIP industry to include a Live, interactive chat feature for readers. The idea was simple, but I now know also a little misguided if not downright naive – free speech for all. Well, let’s just say that didn’t work out so well! I mean it started out fine, the overwhelming majority of you guys have always been pretty nice to me which I appreciate, and most people seemed capable of behaving themselves around others. But naturally it didn’t take long for word to reach the paid posters and shills and cheap admins that they might be able to sneak a free ad in somewhere. So rules had to be tightened up and some restrictions put in place, specifically no links of any kind including ref links, and no discussion of programs not monitored on MNO. That didn’t keep the paid posters out, but it did put a stop to paid promoters and admins trying to sell you HYIPs which I as the owner of MNO was not personally able to verify if they were genuinely paying or not.
Allowing actual HYIP admins from programs I monitored to post on the ShoutBox proved to be a very popular move however. It was often very helpful to a lot of readers to be able to chat with the admins of programs they had investments with, especially when a high degree of communication was crucial. For example, when websites went down as they occasionally do in this industry due to DDoS attacks, maintenance, technical work on the script, etc, it helped everyone with a stake in the program to stay informed, to re-assure them that everything was still OK, and not to start panicking on forums. A couple of others weren’t capable of shall we say behaving like gentlemen, but for the most part I think the policy of giving ShoutBox accounts to admins who ask for them has been beneficial.
I have a life to live away from my computer screen and can’t be online 24 hours a day. So when the same people start registering multiple accounts to hold conversations with themselves about how great their latest scam is, it got a little bit much to have to clean this up everyday. Unfortunately there was a bigger problem with trolls. Not for me personally, how people embarrass themselves is their own problem, but I don’t feel I need to hoist the abuse of others on my readers. That’s why you now need to wait for manual activation of a new ShoutBox account before being able to post anything. Nobody wants to see a bunch of juveniles swearing and spitting venom at each other after all, and as it contributed nothing and helped no one, I don’t feel the quality of “discussion” has deteriorated by removing the accounts of some individuals.
The latest move to refine my ShoutBox and make it a place for readers who are genuinely interested in discussing what they see on MNO and in sharing their opinions is to make it more private. I mean it will still be on public display for all to read, I just refer to the members. Existing accounts will all remain active as usual, and posters are free to continue as always. However I will now only be approving new ShoutBox accounts for readers I see in my downline for at least one program monitored by MNO either from the current list or at least the recent past. There’s a couple of reasons I’m doing this. First of all if you have joined a HYIP under my ref link then chances are I got paid a commission from that program. Thank you! You are now my priority. If you prefer to join under another monitor, then OK, I don’t really mind that, but I don’t feel the need to give a free platform to you. Nothing personal, you’re just not of the same importance to me as those who use my ref links. Everyone has their own reasons why they prefer one blog/monitor/forum over another, and my priority is to look after the interests of those who prefer mine. So in that sense it’s kind of a way show some appreciation for your loyalty. MNO is a completely free-of-charge website after all, I don’t ask anyone for money, and you can take or leave what you like of the information as you see fit.
But at the end of the day I am running a commercial business here, not some Marxist hippy commune. If you have made an investment in a HYIP under the MNO ref link then I believe we both have a genuine stake in it. So you are the guys that I want using the ShoutBox because I know you are genuine and not just out to force your own agenda on everyone else. That leads me to another reason I would prefer to keep the MNO ShoutBox exclusive to MNO referrals.
The thing about online only discussion forums is that they allow the poster total anonymity. Not necessarily a bad thing in itself of course, but one thing that inevitably accompanies anonymity is unaccountability. When you see the same users posting over and over again and again, building up thousands of posts no matter how repetitive, you might begin to think, well, maybe this guy knows what he’s talking about. The thing you need to be careful with there is that you never really see an actual human being, do you? I mean it’s just an anonymous username to protect the poster’s identity. When you sit down and think about it you know absolutely nothing about the people behind the username, therefore you know even less about their motives and their agendas. Every single day these people will hijack every single platform that will allow it to promote what benefits them and them alone. They continue to praise every single program that pays them (either for investing or for posting) no matter how bad. Their motivation here is not necessarily to show support for the program as such. It’s to get you to join. It doesn’t have to be strictly speaking under their ref link or anything, they just need to push you in the door so to speak. As long as they encourage you to join the programs they are pushing, that’s enough. Why? Because your money now goes to fund their payments. You get scammed? Tough luck, that’s your problem. Ask the “friendly” poster who convinced you to join in the first place about it and sure, you’ll get a sympathetic ear, followed by “friendly” advice that you can earn that money back by joining another program he needs you to join so the admin can continue paying him.
I witnessed this with my own two eyes on the MNO ShoutBox not so long ago. You might remember a program called Raisean that so many people held out such high hopes for but ultimately ended in failure. Well, not long before this there was one regular poster on the MNO ShoutBox who was banned. The reasons aren’t relevant, but I’ll tell you it was for continually ignoring my warnings to stop posting links. Anyway, after being banned he became involved with Raisean. He registered a new account under another username on the MNO ShoutBox for this. Now OK, I’m kinda embarrassed to admit this, but I allowed it. I mean the guy never had any idea that I knew who he was and that he was a banned re-register, but a combination of curiosity and amusement got the better of me. It was later on when Raisean was clearly on the verge of collapse that I saw his true nature, and believe me, it wasn’t pretty. Another poster started challenging him for trying to encourage others to throw money away on what was clearly by then a scam. That’s when I had enough and removed him for the second time (and for the second time his banning proved no loss to anyone), but it was really ugly to witness someone so shamelessly trying to prop up a failing scam with other people’s money so he could continue to benefit at the expense of others.
That particular poster’s other favorite tactic was to launch the most scathing attacks on programs that were getting big but he wasn’t promoting. Why? Because if he doesn’t get paid from it then he doesn’t want anyone else to do so either. He knows your money is limited so he prefers that you put it into programs that finance him. Whether he actually thinks you are going to make a profit or not is not considered.
That’s basically what I want to remove as much as humanly possible from the MNO ShoutBox without removing the ShoutBox entirely. And in a nutshell it’s the reason behind the new rule – old members stay as usual, new members will have to ask me for manual approval, new members who are my active downlines have to create accounts and will be approved by me automatically.
The amount of blatant self promotion being allowed on a lot of HYIP related platforms right now is just baffling. I just can’t understand how or why the owners of such monitors either don’t see this or don’t care. For example, many of the names that these users like to dump on everyone in their “I just got paid by….” style posts (usually followed by a comment on how the admin is an online cross between Mother Teresa and Warren Buffet don’t you know) are of programs NOT being monitored there. I mean honestly, how much more dangerous and irresponsible can you get? You give free advertising space to totally anonymous promoters (and no, the fact that they make 200 posts a day or whatever does not count as an “identity”), and then you have absolutely no knowledge or information about what they are trying to push on your readers. That’s not just unprofessional, it’s unconscionable. That’s why any mention of programs not listed on my monitor is not allowed on my ShoutBox. If someone wants to post “I got paid by….” then I will know if it’s true or not.
What I would like to achieve with the MNO ShoutBox in future then is to create a healthy environment for everyone and keep it sort of as a Premium Club for positive thinking investors, not everyone trying to destroy good paying programs or push personal agendas. From the HYIP admins the only ones who will be allowed to post on the ShoutBox will be the ones who list their programs on Premium Status. Thus we will ensure that only the elite big budget programs will have their representatives to answer your questions there.
Going forward then MNO is a place where only my own referrals should expect assistance. Not my referral – then contact your upline. MNO is free resource, providing free information and reviews sharing 8 years experience. If you use the information and make a lot of money then good luck to you. Genuinely, I do not expect anything from you in return – provided you don’t expect anything from me. My referrals in the programs I monitor on the other hand will enjoy the benefits of my direct support with HYIP admins – I think it should always be reciprocal. and those who you joined with if you requested ref comms back. A recent example was LancorIncome I already showed that being my referral did help to get more money out of the program for longer, despite the bad ending.
I myself am an independently wealthy person and don’t need to work for my living anymore. I’ve had a lot of success and I’ve never tried to hide that fact. MNO has turned from something I needed as a source of employment to a hobby. Although still something I admit I make money from, it’s no longer something I need. But as a hobby it’s the one I’m most passionate about, and I’m ready to dedicate my time only to the most elite programs and provide my full support to my referrals. Therefore, I have made those changes and I hope you will appreciate that MNO will become a more close and more reader oriented blog that everyone is welcome to read, but only those supporting me in my work will be able to participate and enjoy all the benefits. Let’s make MNO better together, and considering the HYIP industry is on the verge of a revival I believe we can do so, guys.
DAILY NEWS FROM THE HYIP INDUSTRY
MNO TALKBACK – POLL RESULTS AND NEW POLL ADDED
I’ll start today’s news with the results of the latest poll on the MNO TalkBack page and add another new question. As I proved to you all on yesterday’s piece on the previous programs run by the admins of LancorIncome and EmpireFunds (click here to read it if you haven’t done so yet), I always try to be truthful with my readers whatever it takes. I might not reveal all I know about if I believe it’s not the right time yet or it can damage a program in question, but then it only proves the point that some rumors about admins running this or that program should be totally disregarded, as at different times and under different circumstances we will get programs with totally different outcomes in terms of longevity and profitability for investors. So, for the results of this week’s poll I was very pleased that those who believe MNO is truthful with its readers numbered 81% of you. 14% believe that I could do a better job by exposing well-known scammers. Truth be told that is a very nice idea and I do see your point, but in reality almost impossible to do. For obvious reasons admins simply don’t identify themselves, the only exceptions being the two I mentioned above. Only 5% of you think that MNO rarely tells the truth, but then I imagine those votes are from my enemies (of which I’ve enjoyed making many over the eight years running MNO). Needless to say that 5% didn’t chip in with any example of suggestions to improve, but not to worry. I know who they are and I kinda like annoying them. But I’ll also try my best to make MNO more interesting to read for the rest of you while getting unique information and programs you won’t hear about anywhere else. I can promise you that, truthfully!
For the next question I think it’s the right time to ask your opinion on currently the most popular program on MNO Carbon7 which is widely tipped as a contender for the best program of the summer, and maybe (who knows) even the whole year. I myself don’t quite remember such a huge amount of interest shown towards one single program for quite some time and must add that the first investors from either 7% for 22 business days and 110% after 7 calendar days are already nicely in profit. With the admin slowly expanding his advertising campaign on other investment resources we all hope that the growth will continue and more members will earn well from this promising program. The admin of Carbon7 only pays to your e-currency accounts on weekdays and enjoys his weekends off. This isn’t stopping the flow of new investors every day and investing any amounts starting from a $25 minimum via SolidTrustPay, Payza, PerfectMoney, Payeer, BitCoin, and even direct bank wires (available for larger investors only). So, are all the rumors and the buzz around Carbon7 even remotely close to the truth? What do you think about the program after reading my personal review about the program posted here? So, the next question which will be up for about the next week or so will ask:
“Do you believe that Carbon7 will become the biggest program this year?”
1) Yes, it has a pretty good chance to go all the way.
2) Possibly, if the admin has long term intentions.
3) No, I believe it was/is/will be a different program.
I’d appreciate if you take some time to vote on the MNO TalkBack and we will see what your real expectations from Carbon7 next week when the first investors on the longer investment plans will, fingers crossed, finish their first investment cycle with the program.
POKERAUTOMATICS – NEW REPRESENTATIVES, POKERBIT NETWORK UPGRADE, LOTTERY AND DAILY PROFIT RESULTS
Quite a number of news updates were posted on the website of PokerAutomatics over the last couple of days. Despite the program having slipped back to the second position in the MNO Premium listing (overtaken again by RollNRich when the admin paid all the pending withdrawals finally and secured the top spot once more). First off, two more regional representatives were added to the countless others around the globe. You can easily find one, or the full list of representatives, if you go to the link posted in these updates:
“We have a new Representative
Tehmin – Pakistan
You may contact him by email and phone”
“We have a new Representative
Abdullah Emirah – Syria
You may contact him by skype”
Next, the PokerAutomatics‘ pokerbot network which is responsible for earning profits for the program’s investors has been upgraded once again and new dedicated servers were added which you can read more about below:
“Pokerbot network upgrade
A number of poker bots in the network increased to 927.
Our future goals:
July 2015: 950-1000 active poker bot accounts
January 2016: 1200-1300 active poker bot accounts
July 2016: 1500-1600 active poker bot accounts
January 2017: 1900-2000 active poker bot accounts
July 2017 and further: 2000 active poker bot accounts
The ultimate goal – 2000 active poker bot accounts.
For security reasons we won’t increase our botnet above 2000 active poker bot accounts.”
“New dedicated servers were added.
We have purchased 3 new dedicated servers for our pokerbot network.”
Then, a bit later than usual, the lucky winner of last week’s lottery was named and rewarded with VIP status:
“Lottery Results 21.06.2015:
The winner of this week is klaxbam.
You get VIP status as a prize.
And finally, a message for German based members who are using the Freenet.de mail service asking them to switch to a more reliable mail provider Gmail.com powered by Google, if they don’t want to miss any important messages from the admin as stated below:
“FreeNet.de mail service
Dear clients, if you use freenet.de email service please change it to gmail.com.
We can’t send emails to freenet.de.
If you can’t contact us by email email@example.com or firstname.lastname@example.org please use skype: pokerautomatics.com or Facebook group to change your email.
As for the program’s performance itself, PokerAutomatics is still a great choice paying quite regularly with daily profit results posted on the website. See the latest two for today and yesterday below:
“PokerAutomatics Daily Results:
25.06.2015 – Total poker botnet Income: 1.11%
“PokerAutomatics Daily Results:
26.06.2015 – Total poker botnet Income: 1.05%
I should clarify the reported profits are only the company’s profits from the pokerbot network. The investor’s share can vary from 40% to 80% of that depending on the size of the investment and the investment term taken which can be from 30 to 180 calendar days, principal back on expiry. Investments start from a $30 minimum via multiple payment methods including SolidTrustPay, PerfectMoney, OkPay, Payeer, BitCoin, YandeMoney, NixMoney, Qiwi, AdvCash, and bank wires from selected banks. If the whole set up sounds too complicated to you, then read more on PokerAutomatics‘ review posted here.
The admin of TaurusFinance decided to end his program today by switching off instant payouts to everyone and blaming MNO for his scam. He even went so far as threatening my referrals’ accounts to be blocked because I allegedly “cheated” him out of some money. Well, I guess in the interest of transparency I should first let you read the mass e-mail he sent on this and explain myself afterwards (provided you’ll be able to make any sense out of his newsletter):
“Real Face of Money – News -Online Owner (Paul)
We are very sorry to to inform you that we moved Instant Withdrawals into Manual withdrawals due to some talk with MNO (Paul). All accounts are blocked who was joined under Mno Monitor. Because paul today cheated with us and withdrawal all money that we pay him for investment. This is not a big money but this is against our rules. But according to talk seems that Paul don’t care about there referrals just a money eater. he is not happy with fees and cheating with all programs.
Now let’s get straight to the point. The admin of TaurusFinance paid for Standard listing on MNO. The terms and conditions of being listed are on public display on the Advertising page. Anyone can read them, not just admins. However all admins are sent a link to the page, you know, just to be 100% sure about everything, BEFORE they actually pay any money. It’s clearly stated there that I reserve the right to reinvest any amount I like when the first cycle if finished. Usually I first withdraw the full principal (it’s important to test the program’s cash flow) and then make the minimum reinvestment. This is to lower the burden on the program’s wallet so the admin only needs to pay me the bare minimum on all future cycles. It’s less of a strain for the program and ultimately leaves more money in the pot to pay regular investors. In the years I’ve been running MNO this has always been the policy, and in that time only a tiny handful of admins ever had a problem with this. The thing is though, 100% of them who contacted me demanding I make another deposit of the full principal scammed very shortly afterwards. And I mean all of them, no exceptions. A couple continued making just interest payments but when the time came to return principals and put people into profit? Nope, the money wasn’t there anymore.
My first payment on the cycle completion was made instantly to my PerfectMoney and immediately the promised reinvestment was made. Within minutes I started receiving angry emails from the admin who apparently didn’t bother to read MNO’s advertising terms properly on joining my listing and demanded I had to behave just like every other monitor does. Well, in my eight years running MNO I never behaved like other monitors and always had my own set of rules. If I contact an admin asking to monitor his program (never happens by the way) then sure, I might have to observe his rules. But no, when an admin approaches me and asks for monitoring then he observes mine.
Like I said, terms and conditions are laid out as clearly as I can possibly make them before any fees are paid. If you don’t understand something then you simply need to ask. If you don’t agree to something then you simply say “sorry, I don’t like this” and you take your business elsewhere, no hard feelings. But if you simply can’t be bothered to read what you are agreeing to before paying, well, there’s absolutely nothing I can do for you.
This scam of course has nothing to do with my referrals. After he sent the newsletter no one has received any payment from TaurusFinance, be they my referral or anybody else’s. Payments are not processed to anyone and even the rating page has now been taken down from TaurusFinance‘s website which says more about the admin’s intentions than anything. I withdrew $300 from it today, and re-deposited $25 to continue monitoring. The admin took this personally, which is never a good idea in the HYIP industry. That was $275 that he basically had earmarked for himself to steal, but I took it out before he did. Trust me, if $275 was all it took to bring this program down, it was already on the brink. It would have went either today or Monday when business day payments were due to resume, but the scam was already imminent. His newsletter saying what he said about me and my referrals, guys, I think you all know this was purely an act of spite because he failed to steal as much as he hoped.
Knowing perfectly well that MNO recently helped dozens of his members who were also in LancorIncome to recover money, he wanted to hurt them and send them the opposite message of not joining under MNO. He has of course failed in this by revealing his true nature and not paying to anyone either. I doubt very much payouts will continue from the program. So, whether the admin of TaurusFinance was a newbie or just plain stupid, the outcome is the same – the program is a proven scam. If you’re thinking of investing in TaurusFinance please drop the idea and if you have already invested via Payza, then you can still save your money by submitting a dispute regarding the transaction.
For the benefit of other admins I just want to add that I don’t tolerate threats addressed either to me or my referrals and they will face serious consequences for their programs if they try to pull a stunt like that. A lot of you I know are not really bad guys or anything and always try to run fair games, but it has to be said because of one idiot. One thing I do know for sure – MNO readers are unlikely to hear from that scammer again, the thought of having to pay me for another listing will be too distressing for him. Never mind, the industry is much better off without him.
Here is the list of the programs from my monitor that paid me for the last 24 hours:
From MNO Sticky list: –
From MNO Premium list: RollNRich, PokerAutomatics, Cryptoconomist, AtrexTrade, RoyalTrust, USDBusinessLimited.
From MNO Standard list: Carbon7, CompassBusiness.
From MNO Basic list: –
That’s about it for tonight, guys. Sorry if the weekend is somewhat spoiled for you by having to finish the week with a scam. All in all though, I can see clear increased interest in quality new programs on MNO and both the HYIP admins and HYIP investors should really be thinking of seizing the opportunities this summer is throwing up. Some good examples of such programs that have already established themselves can be found in the latest article on the Top Five Popular Programs on MNO published here. Who will become the next leader only time and MNO will tell! Stay tuned for more info from the most popular investment blog online and see you very soon, everyone!